Cat accepting Bones' terms

[hungrycookiemonster]

In DFAEG, I was a bit surprised that Cat easily agreed to sleeping with Bones during the scene she was asking him to change her into a vampire. Yes, she really didn’t want to do it but only because (1.) She thought he slept with other women and (2.) Because she may accidently drop her shields and let him see how she wasn’t over him. Yet, despite these reasons, she still agreed. I don’t know about anybody else but when I’m mad at my significant other that is that LAST thing on my mind. I was just wondering what other people thought about this.

[pinksapphire]

I was stumped also when Cat agreed to Bones' terms,i didnt that one coming i thought she'd refuse flat out when i first read it but then maybe it was because she was desperate to be turned into a vampire considering her situation with gregor and really the only other alternative was Vlad and after Bones' reaction to that she was convinced of what spade told her-that he would kill anyone who turned her-but that's beside the point.

Also I think Cat at this stage was going through major self-denial,she thought she can sleep with him in a detached way but we know from the beginning of the chapter that she was still attracted to him.She wanted to prove to him and to herself that she was over him in a way and that she can sleep with him as easily as he was being unfaithful to her[as she thought] eith other women.But really it was either that or drop her shields and expose her vulnerbility-something Bones accused her of hiding behind "a wall" in the piano scene.

Anyone else?

[supernaturalgroupie]

I'm with you hcm. When I'm mad at my husband, sex is the last thing on my mind. But, since this is Cat, she really still loved him and even tho- she felt burned by what she "believed" he'd done behind her back. I think she would have forgiven him either way. And she wanted to be with him, to explain herself, to admit of everything he accused her of. I don't see this scene being played out any other way. I think any other way would have torn them further apart.

[JamieLeaM]

But keep in mind, she wasn't necessarily mad. At least, I don't think so. I believe she was severely hurt thinking he had cheated on her, not only that, she was desperate. Desperation does a lot to a person and I could see her thinking that it might make him regret what he had done and realize what he missed out on (if he had cheated). Again, not only that, she wanted him too. Like crazy. She just didn't want him to know it, and really, she didn't want to because it would have made her admit just how hurt she was because most women see sex as a connection, as does Cat I'm sure, and it would make her face what she thought was him cheating on her and facing the pain all over again.

[hungrycookiemonster]

Wow everything you gals mentioned makes complete sense now. I see this scene in a different light now.

[hungrycookiemonster]

Now that we have established Cat’s reasons behind wanting to make that deal with Bones, I wonder what Bones’ reasons were. I mean, he did think Cat cheated on him with Vlad. I know Bones loves Cat and would forgive her despite the so called “cheating.”

However, you gals brought up a great point about Cat wanted one more night with Bones to show him what he was leaving. Maybe Bones was doing the same?

[pinksapphire]

I got this response from the CH website and Jeaniene explains Bones' motivations during that time:

Okay, this answer will be long and rambling. Re-Bones saying he’d “earned” the right to change Cat. All of you know Bones loves Cat insanely, so that’s a main motivation in pretty much everything he says/does regarding her. But, just like you and me, Bones doesn’t always speak or act with ONLY loving motivations at the forefront, especially in stressful circumstances. And this was very stressful for him. At the time of this conversation, Bones wasn’t sure what Cat felt about him. He thought she’d slept with Vlad. He’d had to manipulate her by risking his life to even get her to leave Vlad’s, in fact, and then he’d had several days to brood about how his former actions had contributed to their separation. Then Cat suddenly shows up talking about changing over, and when Bones questions whether she really wants to do that, Cat throws out (as perceived by Bones in his state of mind) almost a dare that if he doesn’t change her, Vlad will. Vlad - the same arrogant vampire that Bones has a long, less-than-friendly history with and who Bones thinks was, until recently, boinking his wife. The “earned” comment was partially an angry, knee-jerk reaction to the idea of Vlad further cementing his tie to Cat. Remember, Bones wanted to put his marriage back together. Cat getting pulled deeper into Vlad’s world by letting him sire her would be very counterproductive to that. A vampire sire/offspring tie is a serious, permanent one. You know from DFAEG how Cat could feel Bones’s emotions once he’d turned her (unless he deliberately shielded them). He had a strongly negative reaction to the idea of Cat having that permanent, close tie with someone else – especially someone Bones already saw as a rival because he didn’t know yet that Cat hadn’t slept with Vlad. And his reaction was partially territorial. Bones was the person responsible for changing Cat’s entire outlook on vampires, causing her to hunt only the murdering ones, allowing her to stop hating herself for her mixed heritage, etc etc. Turning her was something that meant a lot to Bones, once she was ready for it. He wasn’t about to just roll over and let someone else do it after everything he and Cat had been through.

As to Bones wanting a last night with Cat I dont believe it's true.I don't think Bones ever let go of the notion and that he and Cat were permanent and forever.He knows what he and Cat have and that's one of the things he mentions in the piano scene.She's not as devoted to him as he is to her because she refuses to turn and remember Cat from HTTG to DFAEG refers to Bones as her "vampire lover" instead of husband despite the fact that they're were married for almost 2 years at that point.I got the feeling that Jeaniene didn't put that in as a coincidence.

Someone on this forum once stated that Bones moves from a pillar of strength and by having sex with Cat he was hoping that she would let down her shields long enough that he'd see into her and know what she's truly feeling because of what happened in NOLA and the way she acted in Vlad's house he wasn't sure if she wanted him back.

With regards to Vlad,I think if Cat ever cheated {very unlikely} Bones would forgive her.But why didnt he confront her about her "affair" with Vlad? I understand that he didnt want to ruin their reunion but he could've mentioned it after he turned her.He had a three day time frame before the news about Justina being kidnapped and all and I know Cat was dealing with her thirst but if they had time for "other" activities than they should've had time to discuss this before her coming out party?

[kyatty2007]

JaZ, I think you're correct on Bones' motivations. He basically comes out and tells Cat his reasoning for his conditions when she asks him why he cheated on her. Also, if I am not mistaken, as far as Cat and the perceived affair with Vlad, Bones tells her what he would have done. I'll have to go back and check on that, though. It's a Monday, and well, must work. *sigh* .

[JamieLeaM]

Pink,

I think it was one of those, "I want to know the answer but I can't ask the question because it makes it real" things for Bones. He wanted to know but was afraid that she would say yes. I think he would forgive her if she ever cheated on him, which wouldn't happen, but I don't think he would ever forget it and it would take a looooooong time for him to forgive her. She'd have to beg and crawl. I've always said that with Cat, Bones is her weakness in every way. People know that to get to her, they have to break Bones (pun not intended ) or just threaten to hurt him. Bones however, never lets Cat be his weakness, even in dire circumstances. He's always in control, even when he actually isn't (probably didn't make sense). I think this is the same thing. She could have broken him to pieces. But he wouldn't have let her know it.

[pinksapphire]

JamieLeaM wrote:
She could have broken him to pieces. But he wouldn't have let her know it.

Touche Jamie,one of the things I began to realize as the series progressed and Bones' character gets unfolded is that he is a very introverted person when it comes to being hurt.And I think out of all the people he's known in the past Cat hurt him the most with all the screwups she's made over the course of their relationship.Cat is a major weakness to him and if she had cheated with Vlad you're right in a long time he would forgive but he'd never tell her how shaken he was by it.During the scene where they were discussing the terms and conditions in which he'll turn her Cat keeps mentioning how composed he is and that her presence doesnt seem to affect him at all when I think in reality he must be simmering inside.

I also like the negative side to Bones.I hate it in series when the male lead is either Mr. perfect or he's moping about his lost humanity.How Bones behaved in DFAEG showed us that there is a hidden side to him that rarely comes to the surface and I like the fact that he wanted to teach Cat a lesson by walking away in the piano scene and then later on pretending not to care.To me it displays Bones as a real person who was hurt and he wanted her to feel the same pain he did for 5 years starting with when she left him in HTTG.But going back to him confronting her later on I don't think that if she did cheat that he'd let her of the hook easily.